Griefing, the Hellhole of AoS - How to Stop?

[Dblz]

I totally agree with Monsteri , make reals account should solve most of the problem : I think that most of griefer do that "for fun" i mean , they aren't really implicated in the game so re-create account everytime can stop 99% of griefers.

Gorman > Stop being so conservative, it's sure that the solution isn't perfect but ( i think ) that it will solve 90% of an URGENT problem so it MUST be done RIGHT NOW ( :D ) and improvements can be done after.

[Danke]

Better moderation.

Absolutely

global moderators

Absolutely not. I wouldn't trust any person in this community with that power. I'm friendly with the <@> people. I admin on izzy's server, I've talked a little with mat^2, hompy, Sham, BOOYO, Tank, Stack, TGM, etc
I wouldn't trust them not to make mistakes, and given the status of moderation now, I doubt that would even be enough people. And if there's anything I trust less than people I moderately trust - it's the people they moderately trust.
Take Exor getting 'fired' from adminning on GH. People aren't reliable and this plan requires people.

Hell, I trust myself pretty well and I wouldn't trust myself not to get mad one day and global banning some guy who wouldn't stop annoying me.

An idea I would accept a little more easily:
an account system with 'flags'

But the flags are by admin account
So I ban Grieferdude for major griefing and ignoring warnings and label him a T3 Griefer.
He is added to my list on ace-spades.com, which server owners can opt-in to use.
So say I run a server and I subscribe to aloha's list, GH's list, ace-spades's forum list, and StackOverflow's list.
I could even set thresholds: don't let in any T3 offenders from those lists, don't let anyone with a total of 4 points in, ignore any T1 infractions, but disable building on any T2 Griefing offenders.

For instance, I would subscribe to all those lists but only auto-ban T3 aimbot offenders and ignore all the rest.

I have absolutely no idea how feasible (if at all) this is. Obviously it would have to be tied into vanilla servers, pyspades, the client, the website and would require a lot of work, but I think it's a good idea.

[TheGrandmaster]

I can see a point system working out alright.
So long as a 'tk'ing' is worth 1 point per flag whereas a caught aimbot has 4 points per flag (or somesuch).

Global moderators are half in place already, there's already a team that can globally ban those found to be hacking. Though I do trust those who are on the list so far, I'd happily convert to a more rigid system like this.

[Danke]

My additional thoughts were that your 'grieferscore' would be tied to your account but also to your ip, so that if you and your brother share an IP but not an account, then when he does terrible things and has 144 grieferpoints, they show up as a "ghost" number on you. So you are not necessarily banned, but definitely suspicious. Maybe even tied to small ip ranges to cast a slightly wider net.

That and some indication of infractions would show up ingame, depending on the server's list subscriptions

[Gorman]

1. Then you'd have to be very, very dedicated griefer. I don't think it's very easy to script a bot to pass captcha, multiple security question and email verification. Besides you would have to do the emails by hand.
2. Bad part of the community got a lot more mature (or at least started to hide their immatureness) after KAG implemented global moderators. It's flexible, easy for the users and efficient.
3. They will not be disabled in the majority of servers.

1. Why would you have to do the emails by hand? :S
2. Well good for them, but KAG is very different to AoS, so I don't think copypastaing what works for them will work very well!
3. The only servers that will have this enabled are servers that have staff on the global team. And even then they will eventually either not bother with it in favor of just having their own local mods that are way more active and more responsive, or the most popular servers will suck in all the global mods making it once again pointless.

Gorman > Stop being so conservative, it's sure that the solution isn't perfect but ( i think ) that it will solve 90% of an URGENT problem so it MUST be done RIGHT NOW ( :D ) and improvements can be done after.

No, it will create more problems than it solves - and with massive amounts of work required too!

The reality is that autonomous servers moderating themselves and handing out their own bans is more efficient than any global team will ever be.

[Monsteri]

blab blab even in some well-known servers there aren't always admins around, like in Sham's when there was 6 griefers, 1 fort and 0 admin.

I'll edit this post into longer form, probably today.

EDIT: I won't cause I'm supermegaomgninjaprincess360noscopetired.

[Gorman]

Clearly Sham should get more admins then...


Sorry but I don't take anecdotal evidence, and even if I did then I wouldn't accept the logic of "This one time at Sham's there was some griefers therefore we need a giant convoluted accounts/global admin system".

I think the more logical (and more correct) logic is "Sham's didn't have any admins on, therefore they need more admins". Servers tend to only get admins from the same time zones, which is clearly a failure. If a server is dodgey and fails to provide adequate moderation for the times that you play on, switch servers...

[Monsteri]

Dude, even 10 trustful active global moderators would be enough - surely not enough to cover servers constantly, but to be there when someone requests a mod.

I can't resist the urge to say that your opinions are majorly stupid :L

[Gorman]

If there is only 10 of them then how is this any different from the current situation?

10 of them would verily struggle to provide even the amount of cover we have now.


I think it is pointless to continue a discussion like this when it is clear to both of us that simply using Pyspades will give more than enough ability to moderate a server through the IRC and admin functions.

[knifeymoloko]

I'm working on a registration script for my servers at the moment which will allow for player to run

/register USERNAME PASSWORD [EMAIL]

and register their username so they can always have it on the server.

My plan is to use it to keep track of stats and such but I think there is some interesting features that can grow out of it - namely, only allowing registered users on the server, capping registration at a few hundred people, etc ... I think it will allow me to build a community of like-minded players and keep the griefers at a minimum.

[MegaDeuce]

Whitelists suck, and admins are only effective like a third of the time, even when they're on. I don't support grief, but anything that eliminates griefing would go against what makes AoS a great game.

If you really really want a griefer-free game, host a private server and invite your 31 closest friends to play with you :)

[Monsteri]

If there is only 10 of them then how is this any different from the current situation?

10 of them would verily struggle to provide even the amount of cover we have now.


I think it is pointless to continue a discussion like this when it is clear to both of us that simply using Pyspades will give more than enough ability to moderate a server through the IRC and admin functions.

It's not like every AoS player will run to their IRC and start begging for moderation...

I think the ideal system would be: Danke's list thingy + Global moderation + Accounts. Of course it is not waterproof, but will stop most of the bored Deuces.

We don't have enough trustful people in our community to cover all the servers night and day, but some in IRC would definitely help.

Also don't get started on this: There is a true problem with crappy moderation of servers. GH and Minit so far are the only servers that are good with it in my book. I don't want to play on GH because of the bad maps, Minit.. yeah I'm pretty much locked into Minit and TOW. Because of the griefers.

[USABxBOOYO]

I see no downside to Global Moderators as long as no one abuses their power (Which, since the people who will probably be getting Global Moderator powers already have some degree of power in this community, should not be a problem).

Accounts should be added ASAP in my opinion.

Danke's list also has no downside as far as I can see.

[Gorman]

If people dont go to irc then still we rely on local moderation, so the suggestion is useless. And those that do go to irc can just as easily go to the server's irc and get a local mod...

There are plenty of servers with enough mods to curb mere griefers.

[USABxBOOYO]

I don't think you understand. Having Global Moderators can't hurt anyone. Also, Global Moderators would not have to be "called upon" in order to moderate a server, they would be able to moderate whenever they go in-game, effectively adding good admins to every server's admin count.