Remove headshot

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My argument is: Headshots ruin this game, it's so incredibly easy to get a headshot that
A: It requires absolutely no skill, or ability, or talent, or effort. (whichever is the word you need)
B: It makes people aim for the head which kinda ruins crouching behind cover
C: Aimbotters, EVERYWHERE in this game.

so I have two suggestions
A: Remove headshot entirely, maintain the hp and allow people to actually live long enough to see that guy that switched models for the bright glowing pink ones and kill him before he headshots 6 of your teammates in a row.

B: Remove headshots and add a chance to crit on shots to the upper body and head area, a 25% chance to kill in one shot. People can still aim head, it maintains the realistic feature (or whatever made people ADD headshots in the first place)


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Finally for all you disbelivers, trolls, or super realistic people (in a unrealistic video game??) getting shot in the head doesn't instantly kill you, unless it destroys the brain. There are numerous occasions of people losing half their head, getting shot in the nose, ear, etc. and living. The most recent of which was in IRAQ, where a man did live after a sniper round to the head, which removed 30-50% of his brain.

[Gorman]

Ok so...

1. Obviously hitting the head is harder than hitting the body, or hitting "anything".
2. Besides that, AoS is about speed more so than accuracy. Most people can hit the head with unlimited time, but can you snap a shot off in under .2 of a second?
3. Crouching behind cover should keep your head out of view - unless your cover is 1 block high or 2 blocks and the enemy is up high. Please THINK when you build cover in the future!
4. And besides that, even if head takes the same damage as body, if that is all they see they area going to aim for it...
5. Aimbots can be made to aim at any thing and any body part. Left arm? No problem.
6. Even if your head takes the same damage as your body, if someone sees you first then you will die first. Even without glowing pink models it is easy to see people, and even with them you still need speed and accuracy.
7. Random chance is a horrible idea. AoS is about tactics and skill, not a game of russian roulette. Do you have any idea how pissed people would be if they lost a fight just because of random chance? I would be pissed as duck.
8. Getting shot in the face is likely to kill you. For every example of someone survivedI could probably produce 10 that didn't and 10 that survived a body shot. The fact remains that getting shot in the face is probably worse than being shot in the body.
10. Your thread is worded as if you are upset about people headshotting you - especially people with custom mods or aimbots. Please consider that if you buff yourself you buff everyone. Either semi will be half as strong, or will be many times as strong. Not sure how you want to re-balance all the weapons, but this is a non-trivial suggestion even if people did think it was a good idea (FYI people will think you are a troll since we recently had someone else suggest removing headshots).

[Tek2]

Random critical hits, the worst idea ever?

Also aimbotters isn't a reason to remove headshots, they already 1 shot with smg.

[Yakkers]

We already had this thread.
It didn't go well.
http://ace-spades.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=971

[Derpylicious]

My argument is: Headshots ruin this game, it's so incredibly easy to get a headshot that
A: It requires absolutely no skill, or ability, or talent, or effort. (whichever is the word you need)
B: It makes people aim for the head which kinda ruins crouching behind cover
C: Aimbotters, EVERYWHERE in this game.

so I have two suggestions
A: Remove headshot entirely, maintain the hp and allow people to actually live long enough to see that guy that switched models for the bright glowing pink ones and kill him before he headshots 6 of your teammates in a row.

B: Remove headshots and add a chance to crit on shots to the upper body and head area, a 25% chance to kill in one shot. People can still aim head, it maintains the realistic feature (or whatever made people ADD headshots in the first place)


Finally for all you disbelivers, trolls, or super realistic people (in a unrealistic video game??) getting shot in the head doesn't instantly kill you, unless it destroys the brain. There are numerous occasions of people losing half their head, getting shot in the nose, ear, etc. and living. The most recent of which was in IRAQ, where a man did live after a sniper round to the head, which removed 30-50% of his brain.

Refuting arguement bit by bit.

1. This is a casual game and Kinda thrives in being quite easy to pick up and play.

2. Maybe you had'nt thought it out but the heads are designed to be both cute and shot at in this game

3. I personally have seen loads of votekicks against Aimbotters but in reality only one out of thirty of them are actually hacking the rest are good players.

4. I agree with Gorman (someone has to) getting rid of headshots will get rid of the "duck, Cover, sneaky" aspects of AoS and replace it with people just standing up and blasting each other to death. and will also mean that the weapons are imbalenced again because you've removed the rifle's greatest strength; the ability to hit a headshot again and again and again.

5. If you want Realism make the game a 1 shot kill game, cause thats what its like most of the time, it only takes a minute for someone to bleed to death from a shot to the arm or leg untreated and the soldier only has 40 seconds of consiousness to apply self aid even then most likely chances is he's out of the firefight almost completely.

6. Survival to almost any injury of the brain is fatal, those who do survive are the abnormalities not the norm and even if they survive they are not likely to ever be allowed back on the field.

Source: Ex Special Constabulary Riot Medic

[Vortex]

I'm not sure if you are either under the influence of subtances which compromise your level of thought, or that you've never played Ace of Spades, and are suggesting this idea, thus I won't even bother going in detail.

Headshots are yes, at times annoying, but you need to learn to live with them, you can avoid them if you use logic.

[IrishElf]

How would removing headshots stop aimbotting? That seems to be the only [very poorly made I might add] point the OP might have. The aimbot which is widespread has eight bullets condensed into one. They could blast you in the foot and kill you anyways.

And, really? Headshots require no skill? Weeeellll... Somewhere around 85% of all kills are headshots. So... Why isn't every server permanently stalemated? Well?

Yeah, OP, why don't you go play CoD if AoS isn't your cup of tea. Or better yet. Turn off the computer and console[s] and go outside for awhile, the sunlight won't kill you.

[Leonzable]

Wait, so headshots require no skill but a random chance of killing someone with a shot to the upper body does?

[Home2quirtPRO]

[quote]2. Besides that, AoS is about speed more so than accuracy. Most people can hit the head with unlimited time, but can you snap a shot off in under .2 of a second?[quote/]
I actually shot a guy just as he shot me so we BOTH died at the SAME TIME! lol

[tunaspirit]

Countering Arguments:
A: Headshotting DOES require skill. You need hours of training in gen/Goon Haven to predict the speed of everyone's route which head you'll blow off, getting used to your sight, getting used to the recoil and accuracy of your gun and avoiding bullets while aiming from the head.

B: Why spray in the chest so much when you can kill someone by putting a little more effort into aiming someone's head and killing him in 1, 2 shots? >Snipers in training IRL shouldn't learn aiming at heads Then make taller cover.

C: When an aimbot fires, it fires 8/9 bullets per time. So it wouldn't matter if it aimed to the head or body.

[Fluttershy]

Complains about how a feature "requires no skill", suggests that we add a luck based kill system.

[xEric]

2 cover mazy maps right? so you have to go to the person first then kill them. And it would cause the game to have less than 30 players and would not get new ones. People will call people ''hackers'' and non-stop votekicking.

It causes semi to die. 3 shots for one kill? WASTE OF BULLETS

It causes smg to gain power: Random shooting at someone is like learning how to count or sing the ABC's

Shotgun: one shot one kill from short range and 2 shots one kill ??? DUMB

But im not going to let this troll get me lol.

[Gorman]

2. Besides that, AoS is about speed more so than accuracy. Most people can hit the head with unlimited time, but can you snap a shot off in under .2 of a second?[quote/]
I actually shot a guy just as he shot me so we BOTH died at the SAME TIME! lol

Literally impossible.

The game uses hitscans so all kills are instantaneous, there are no projectiles; whoever's kill packet reaches the server first gets the kill.

[Monsteri]

lol, nope.

[rambo]

My argument is: Headshots ruin this game, it's so incredibly easy to get a headshot that
A: It requires absolutely no skill, or ability, or talent, or effort. (whichever is the word you need)
B: It makes people aim for the head which kinda ruins crouching behind cover
C: Aimbotters, EVERYWHERE in this game.

so I have two suggestions
A: Remove headshot entirely, maintain the hp and allow people to actually live long enough to see that guy that switched models for the bright glowing pink ones and kill him before he headshots 6 of your teammates in a row.

B: Remove headshots and add a chance to crit on shots to the upper body and head area, a 25% chance to kill in one shot. People can still aim head, it maintains the realistic feature (or whatever made people ADD headshots in the first place)


WARNING - GRAPHIC COMMENTS REGARDING ISSUES WHICH MAY BE DISTURBING TO SOME PEOPLE- WARNING







Finally for all you disbelivers, trolls, or super realistic people (in a unrealistic video game??) getting shot in the head doesn't instantly kill you, unless it destroys the brain. There are numerous occasions of people losing half their head, getting shot in the nose, ear, etc. and living. The most recent of which was in IRAQ, where a man did live after a sniper round to the head, which removed 30-50% of his brain.

LOLLOLOLOL ITS NOT EASY TO GET HEAD SHOTS. Well at first its hard then it gets easy as you get better i sucked at first practice got me better stop complaining and practice.