Rifle nerf

[Cookie]

The rifle should be nerfed. Why?
The rifle is currently not used as it is supposed to. This loses the real strategy, and flanking.

Currently, many just rush in with the rifle, instead of using it for long-range. The Semi-Automatic rifle gives easy kills, that may frustate the enemy team who likes to strategize their attacks with the other weapons. The rifle can headshot fairly easily from hip, or to just quickscope to head fastly. This is the problem.

The rifle usually dominates 1v1, and needs a squad to take him down. With the SMG, it is harder to headshot, making it really easy to be countered with the rifle. I like to use the rifle for long range, but others insist on always rushing headshots with them. The damage to the head is so strong, that it shouldn't be that accurate.

With enough practice, you can take everyone down with an rifle. It only fails against a group up from close or behind.
In most maps, the Rifle is the gun of choice. Why?
A) Long range
B) High damage output
C) Very good Accuracy.
Most maps are long range, or medium range, but they still give the rifle the chance to be so accurate.

I know, I know. Most of the community uses snipers and don't want it to be nerfed, but this isn't really for you to decide, it is imbalanced, and you know it.

[ChaosTLW]

SMG is the OP weapon. It can outsnipe rifle users at long ranges and mow down anything at close and medium ranges. It needs to be fixed before talking about the rifle.

[Cookie]

Are you serious? Pretty much all of the community is using rifles, just because the high damage output with good accuracy.
Smg can only kill players that havent played for over a month. I agree, the Smg can pick up kills at ranges pretty decently, but it is kind of an assault rifle. The Rifle, in the otherhand can easily kill an smg in close combat. Just panicshot in the head.

EDIT: If you practice the rifle enough, you just dominate. I mean it. You probably just pick up so many kills that you can't hold track of them. Any map that has an outside playing field, the rifle dominates. Even on the move, or jumping. You can just jumpshot an headshot.

[ChaosTLW]

Are you playing .70...?
Because nowaday, in most situations, the SMG is superior to the rifle, specially with the accuracy nerf we had on .75

[Cookie]

The accuracy nerf didn't change anything. Most good players still use the rifle, and leave the SMG and Shotgun into the closet. You just gotta get the hang of it, and you can just rush people in the head.
EDIT : You are probably an rifle user, right?
EDIT 2 : That was rude of me, sorry. The point is, the shotgun is overpowered, the smg is slightly overpowered, and the rifle is too. I think the Smg should be nerfed to, but the rifle just gets onto my nerves.

[ChaosTLW]

The accuracy nerf didn't change anything. Most good players still use the rifle, and leave the SMG and Shotgun into the closet. You just gotta get the hang of it, and you can just rush people in the head.
EDIT : You are probably an rifle user, right?
EDIT 2 : That was rude of me, sorry. The point is, the shotgun is overpowered, the smg is slightly overpowered, and the rifle is too. I think the Smg should be nerfed to, but the rifle just gets onto my nerves.

Oh shite, I was arguing with a troll!

And I'm not a rifle user, before the .70 update I used rifle and SMG evenly, because both were pretty versatile weapons(Rifle would dominate at long range and have medium and close range capabilities, and SMG dominated at close to medium range with long range capabilities), but nowadays I use mostly SMG.

[Cookie]

Oops, lol. I meant underpowered.
EDIT : Now that i think of it, the shotgun is pretty OP too. I can dominate a shotgun in Anticbrige and other closerange maps. You just gotta know how to use your cover properly.
EDIT2:

but nowadays I use mostly SMG.

Me too, but at maps like Mesa, pinpoint, normandie and others, the rifle just dominates SMG totally.
EDIT3(wow, i have alot of edits): Well, the rifle is pretty weak if in the wrong hands. But most good players just dominate the smg with the rifle.

[Tek2]

In my opinion rifle should become pinpoint accurate (atleast when standing still or crouching), if you have perfect aim you should be rewarded for it.
To counter this make it shoot around 100-80 rpm instead of current 120. And make bodyshots 35-40 damage and limbshot 25.

Smg on the other hand should go back to 24 bodyshot damage. Also would be more interesting if recoil while standing or moving would be reduced, but while crouching would be increased making it more of a run and gun weapon.

Shotgun is a bit poopy now and imo should be totally redone.
Increase pellet count a lot, but reduce damage per pellet.
Make it have always pretty much the same spread making it less random in long and medium range.
Introduce damage drop to pellets to get rid of lucky sniping shots.
If spread is small (making it harder to hit in cqc) rate of fire should be slightly buffed.

[Putin]

1. The same what I think. Nice to see my words of someone other. Most of the guys if you touch the """ HOLY RIFLE """ Start with : you troll ( omg what a idiotic word troll -_- how old are they 5? and wach lord of the rings) , u noob u dont knew to play( a classic) , and so on. They are talking so because they simply are short minded , And think a weapon can be 100% accurate.

Are you serious? Pretty much all of the community is using rifles, just because the high damage output with good accuracy.
Smg can only kill players that havent played for over a month. I agree, the Smg can pick up kills at ranges pretty decently, but it is kind of an assault rifle. The Rifle, in the otherhand can easily kill an smg in close combat. Just panicshot in the head.

EDIT: If you practice the rifle enough, you just dominate. I mean it. You probably just pick up so many kills that you can't hold track of them. Any map that has an outside playing field, the rifle dominates. Even on the move, or jumping. You can just jumpshot an headshot.

2. Me to the Rifle gets on the nerves its so OP
On long u win on mid u win on close u win in run u win and and... Making bunkers isn't worth even any more every time I make a wall bunker trench a rifle "runner"(he is at full speed running and shooting) kills me with headshot. I Simply cant play Aos cause of the fucking annoying rifle. Now even with the Smg is op The rifle is still a Provocation-annoying weapon.

Its Damage is huge 1 bullet to head or 3 (2 to a dmg opponent ) is damn high.
I Never got it why Ben from so much cool rifles (on bolt action) Chosen a Semi-Sh*t Rifle. It must be cause of the Rate of Fire ( ROF) That he wanted to keep up for the Noob's to have a chance at firing 20 deadly bullets in 10 seconds to kill someone. But now When he made a Smg He can make the Semi finnaly a low rate of fire weapon.


3.
And one more. The Smg is a Duck to shoot weapon and rifle is a run and gun. That is totaly unacceptable.

[Cookie]

Could you please Edit this so this could be readable? My eyes are starting to hurt.

[greace]

Now, to all of you I want to say this.
Just because it got nerfed and the smg is op doesn't mean we can't use the rifle.
Look to example at some of the good players out there, some uses rifles, and some others uses the smg.
But, what exactly could improve it without taking the old rifle back.
Of course, I experience lag and at some points even bugs.
I can't say anything that would make this game better than it already is.

[Cookie]

Improve it? The rifle is overpowered. It can still headshot at an ridiculously good accuracy. You can still shoot the same accuracy while moving and jumping. That is incredibely overpowered, compared to the smg.

[SICKfudge]

Heh, people only manage to run and jump and gun and what not if you are being very lax at defending, they are amoung the easiest people too kill.

If you want to use the smg just do a few short bursts at their head and they will be dead before they have managed to shoot you. simples.

[Moonkey]

The rifle has already been nerfed. And the community HATED THAT. SO BADLY. The SMG isn't Op'ed but it is annoying, if it were burst It would be balanced, let's say 3 bullets per burst. and 0.70 seconds per burst. That would be nice. Due to the rifle being less accurate, I switch between SMG and Rifle. Maybe to help the smg not be Op'ed in other peoples minds would be to lower the RoF a tad bit.

[BrosephRadson]

1. Enter thread
2. Leave, shaking head with disappointment.