Griefing, the Hellhole of AoS - How to Stop?

[Gorman]

1. Just because "it doesn't hurt" is not a reason to implement anything.
2. Then this would only affect the most well known servers, I don't know of any staff who play on the little known servers. Well known servers should already have enough mods to police themselves, they won't rely on the random chance that a GM will join their server.

Actually, no one should rely on the random chance. So what is the difference..?

[USABxBOOYO]

Quite plainly, it makes more sense to have a random chance then no chance at all. Also, Global Moderators (I would assume) would have blacklist access, which means that they would have the option to ban people on all servers subscribed to the blacklist. Better yet would be if a /blacklist command was implemented for the Global Moderators to use.

Again, I see no downsides to this besides human error and power abuse (and there are already people who can ban you from all blacklist subscribed servers forever, so what would b the difference?)

[Gorman]

No, you should not leave moderation to chance...

I don't think that is a very watertight policy at all...

[USABxBOOYO]

How is this chance at all? When did I ever say moderation should be left up to chance? Never. I never said that. Global Moderators should never be a replacement for regular server admins, but rather a supplement or extra help for the server.

[Gorman]

Well, read what I previously said about that...

- Clearly no one would rely on GMs
- Many servers would not allow them to have power there
- If someone were to go to IRC to ask for help they could just as easily join the specific channel for that server rather than asking a GM

Thus implementing this suggestion is pointless...

[knifeymoloko]

Global mods aren't the solution, in fact, I hate the idea.

I'm not giving anyone I don't know admin status on my server - no matter if they are a "well-trusted" community member.

[Monsteri]

@Gorman: The thing is, we manage better with global moderators than without global moderators. Accounts should have been there a long time ago.
@knifeymoloko: Clearly you have never played / hosted a server in a game that has got global moderators.
Don't judge a book by its cover.

[knifeymoloko]

@knifeymoloko: Clearly you have never played / hosted a server in a game that has got global moderators.
Don't judge a book by its cover.

I'm not trying to judge a book by it's cover.

I would never give someone unknown to me admin access to my server, so if any idea/scheme involves me having to give admin access to unknowns, I can't support it.

I monitor my server fairly close by irc and running some scripts against my logs to see what happened while I'm away. When the time comes that I need a new admin to help, I will ask someone I trust and know to do that :)

[USABxBOOYO]

This doesn't force you to allow Global Moderators to administrate your server. As previously stated, this system would allow server owners to disable/enable that.

[knifeymoloko]

This doesn't force you to allow Global Moderators to administrate your server. As previously stated, this system would allow server owners to disable/enable that.

Then I am all for it because it is a feature that will not affect me :)

[Gorman]

I don't think anyone will want random people messing with their server...

@Gorman: The thing is, we manage better with global moderators than without global moderators. Accounts should have been there a long time ago.

I just showed you how it is completely useless except in random chance... And yet you still say "we manage better"?

[Eden]

There's no such thing as stopping griefing. One can always change his/her IP address, etc...

[Monsteri]

Well, read what I previously said about that...

- Clearly no one would rely on GMs
- Many servers would not allow them to have power there
- If someone were to go to IRC to ask for help they could just as easily join the specific channel for that server rather than asking a GM

Thus implementing this suggestion is pointless...

-Of course they should not be completely relied upon, but they'd be a nice security add.
-Sure some wouldn't, but they most likely have a good moderation then. They'd be the minority anyways, and by your logic it doesn't matter?
-Sure thing but as already said, they aren't there always, besides I don't wanna memorize 70 different channel names.

[Dblz]

Gorman :
- Clearly no one would rely on GMs
- Many servers would not allow them to have power there
- If someone were to go to IRC to ask for help they could just as easily join the specific channel for that server rather than asking a GM

You say since the first page that there's no proof about the results of setting up GM's or even Accounts , but i don't see any proofs in your messages too Gorman.

What's the debate here : Doing Nothing // Doing Something.

Doing nothing : No chances to solve the problems , but no fail :D.
Doing Anything : Chances to slow down griefers .

Accounts : I think it's easy to set up and it does nothing bad to anyone . If it only solve 10% of 20% of the problem , it's always this... ( I think it will do much more )

In my opinion , dedicated griefers ( Only playing AoS to grief ) which are motivated to create multiples account 100 or 150times are less than 5% of griefers , Most of the griefers just do that because they feel totally free , no accounts etc etc. Accounts must be done. ( I know , no proofs but ... )

[Gorman]

You say since the first page that there's no proof about the results of setting up GM's or even Accounts , but i don't see any proofs in your messages too Gorman.

What's the debate here : Doing Nothing // Doing Something.

Doing nothing : No chances to solve the problems , but no fail :D.
Doing Anything : Chances to slow down griefers .

Accounts : I think it's easy to set up and it does nothing bad to anyone . If it only solve 10% of 20% of the problem , it's always this... ( I think it will do much more )

In my opinion , dedicated griefers ( Only playing AoS to grief ) which are motivated to create multiples account 100 or 150times are less than 5% of griefers , Most of the griefers just do that because they feel totally free , no accounts etc etc. Accounts must be done. ( I know , no proofs but ... )

Join any well set up server and you will see that there are no griefers and there are active admins. This problem has already been solved on most good servers...

Since you think "Doing Anything" has a chance, I propose letting anyone kick anyone they suspect of being a griefer with the new /grieferkill <name> command. I think it has a chance to slow down griefers, so let's definitely implement it!

Also, I think we can all see the games with accounts still have griefers, Mineacraft, CoD, BF, whatever else you can think of, it has griefers...