So many people complaining about Semi's.

[ThomasArcane]

"They need to get nerfed"

Semi's can either make or break you.
They aren't so good that it makes them OP'd
It can't do CQC, Front line assaults and much more.
Trust me I've been outgunned by a SMG so many times.
That's why I use mine for Recon.

[FNSaver]

What the duck? How can they nerf the rifle more than they did, already?

[ThomasArcane]

What the duck? How can they nerf the rifle more than they did, already?

I've seen people that want it to be a 2-Hit kill for headshots.

[BrosephRadson]

The rifle is already broken. Especially if you're lagging. Somehow, even a ping of 120 can stop rifle shots from registering completely, even on targets which arent moving. I actually point-blank headshotted a person who wasnt moving 3 times and nothing happened. Even without lag, many shots miss which should be dead on.

[ThomasArcane]

The rifle is already broken. Especially if you're lagging. Somehow, even a ping of 120 can stop rifle shots from registering completely, even on targets which arent moving. I actually point-blank headshotted a person who wasnt moving 3 times and nothing happened. Even without lag, many shots miss which should be dead on.

That happened to me too.

[Danqazmlp]

Rifle is far from OP.

I'd say those who complain simply don't understand how to combat it. Fast movement, flanking and close-combat nullify it. That doesn't mean it is underpowered either, simply that it has it's uses.

[HoboHob]

Whoever wants it nerfed is an idiot. I want it buffed.

[lehma18]

I have said this too many times for it to actually make a difference, but i will say this again; 0.70-weapons were almost perfectly balanced. It didn't matter if i used the SMG or the rifle, i still led the match. If i wanted a challenge, i used the SMG for sniping, and when i got bored i switched back to rifle for total ownage.

The guns were balanced, period. Good players were good with every weapon, bad players sucked with every weapon. The fact that deuces prefer the SMG and good players prefer rifle created an illusion that the rifle is an extremely overpowered one-shotting death-machine, when the SMG's hurting as much as a thrown pillow.

[ThomasArcane]

Rifle is far from OP.

I'd say those who complain simply don't understand how to combat it. Fast movement, flanking and close-combat nullify it. That doesn't mean it is underpowered either, simply that it has it's uses.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Danqazmlp]

I have said this too many times for it to actually make a difference, but i will say this again; 0.70-weapons were almost perfectly balanced. It didn't matter if i used the SMG or the rifle, i still led the match. If i wanted a challenge, i used the SMG for sniping, and when i got bored i switched back to rifle for total ownage.

The guns were balanced, period. Good players were good with every weapon, bad players sucked with every weapon. The fact that deuces prefer the SMG and good players prefer rifle created an illusion that the rifle is an extremely overpowered one-shotting death-machine, when the SMG's hurting as much as a thrown pillow.

I completely agree with this.

[Paratrooper]

Wait, wasn't the SMG the OP one?

[lehma18]

Wait, wasn't the SMG the OP one?

Apparently not. Rifle's accuracy was cut in half and people still aren't happy, that should already give a quite clear message to Ben.

[MoleMan]

I dunno about you guys, but I'm more or less happy with the current balance. Perhaps the SMG needs a small damage drop so it's less effective at long range, but other than that, both guns are deadly.

Right now I think the focus should be on the shotgun, which is truly worthless.

[ErwinRumble]

The rifle is already broken. Especially if you're lagging. Somehow, even a ping of 120 can stop rifle shots from registering completely, even on targets which arent moving. I actually point-blank headshotted a person who wasnt moving 3 times and nothing happened. Even without lag, many shots miss which should be dead on.

This is the uber truth.

My bullets go way-ward when they're on target and don't register when they make contact. I'm playing with my hands tied, and these goofballs want it nerfed more? The duck?

EDIT: It has occurred to me that Ben may be paving the way for the bolt-action sniper. If Ben fixes the lag and tightens the acc ever so slightly, then I suppose all the weapons will be balanced.

[TheOperator]

I have said this too many times for it to actually make a difference, but i will say this again; 0.70-weapons were almost perfectly balanced. It didn't matter if i used the SMG or the rifle, i still led the match. If i wanted a challenge, i used the SMG for sniping, and when i got bored i switched back to rifle for total ownage.

The guns were balanced, period. Good players were good with every weapon, bad players sucked with every weapon. The fact that deuces prefer the SMG and good players prefer rifle created an illusion that the rifle is an extremely overpowered one-shotting death-machine, when the SMG's hurting as much as a thrown pillow.

I agree, .70 weapons WERE perfect.

Shotgun could reliably kill people at 20 blocks away in one shot, SMG could take people out from afar ONLY if you knew what you were doing, and RIFLE was perfect. If they want to nerf the rifle the only thing that should happen is decrease its RoF. Aside from that it should be pinpoint, just don't be an idiot and run around in the open.


I think all the people complaining about rifle accuracy frequented the servers that hosted the pinpoint/assault maps, either that or they were just really bad players.

.70 balance was like this

Rifle = long range destruction, and could handle close quarters only if you were skilled and the other players wasn't (why not just increase hipfire spread? I dont think people would complain, and it would stop panic head shots at close range

SMG = Great mid distance weapon, just pop fire and you killed people in just a second or two. But it actually took skill and getting a head shot did 50 instead of SEVETYF***INGFIVEDAMAGE!!! so not only did it prevent easily 2-shotting people, but it kept you from being fodder to all of the other weapons if you were unlucky enough to get shot in the head once. It was also great for spraying small groups on enemies in close quarters.

Shotgun = Close range killer. And since we know AoS is a BIG game with BIG maps it didnt have to have call of duty ranges to be considered "fair". If you knew what you were doing and sneaked up on people, you could take somebody down in 2-3 shots up to 60 blocks away. No, it couldnt "snipe" you, and no it didnt outclass the SMG/Rifle as they both could kill you faster at those ranges. But its tight spread also meant you could kill people at 30 blocks without having to worry about missing COMPLETELY with 5 out of 6 shots, only to be magically 1 shotted by an enemy using shotgun at a farther distance!

Seriously, ben must've been smoking something when he decided to turn the shotgun into roulette weapon.