Is the fog a core gameplay element?

[danhezee]

And as I said, we can simply use point-cloud techniques (since voxels are essentially just large points even at 128 range we could start using these techniques - especially since we have no AA).

What is AA?

[KomradeIrish]

I think he means anti aliasing, dan.

[Tek2]

And as I said, we can simply use point-cloud techniques (since voxels are essentially just large points even at 128 range we could start using these techniques - especially since we have no AA).

What is AA?

Alcoholics Anonymous... Oh wait!

[WEEDBOT]

Also, headshots at 128 range are too easy, I think people can agree on that at least. With bullet drop you would have to adjust, but when you consider that we do have the ability to use custom scopes, people will very quickly just use custom scopes with mildots or other rangefinding techniques (my first scope had a make-shift rangefinder so I could adjust for bullet drop - not that there was any but I was just interested in making one!).

It's a question of gameplay style and not "ease" or "adjustment" - bullet drop isn't just a minor tweak, it's a reasonably significant change that alters the way the game plays. Hundreds of FPS were fine before bullet drop became the norm.

[Paratrooper]

Also, headshots at 128 range are too easy, I think people can agree on that at least. With bullet drop you would have to adjust, but when you consider that we do have the ability to use custom scopes, people will very quickly just use custom scopes with mildots or other rangefinding techniques (my first scope had a make-shift rangefinder so I could adjust for bullet drop - not that there was any but I was just interested in making one!).

It's a question of gameplay style and not "ease" or "adjustment" - bullet drop isn't just a minor tweak, it's a reasonably significant change that alters the way the game plays. Hundreds of FPS were fine before bullet drop became the norm.

This may prevent aimbotters at farther ranges.

[TheGrandmaster]

If people can be bothered:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/557101/
Debate between me, and danhezee/Ace about increased view ranges.

[Reblogo]

Also, bullets should decrease in damage the farther the target is from the shooter.

This doesn't make much sense. Even at a few Kms bullets travel quite fast and will still kill.

Imagine Craig Harrison: "Good job you hit the guy at a range of 2.5km, but it just harmlessly bounced off the target's unprotected head".

Bullets are made to travel quite far. Bullet drop is enough, no need for senselessly unrealistically complicating things. People should be rewarded for making super long distance shots, not punished.

Have to agree with that last sentance there. well said.

[KevinLancaster]

I HAVE THE PERFECT SOLUTION:
Make fog distance a setting that map-makers can change.

Problem Solved.

[TheGrandmaster]

@KevinL:
Or a server setting perhaps?

[Gorman]

And as I said, we can simply use point-cloud techniques (since voxels are essentially just large points even at 128 range we could start using these techniques - especially since we have no AA).

What is AA?

Anti-aliasing.

@KevinL:
Or a server setting perhaps?

If it is a map setting then servers can override it (both on the map config or ingame).

This may prevent aimbotters at farther ranges.

It won't in the slightest, but let's not implement gameplay suggestions just to curb aimbots.

[IrishElf]

If people can be bothered:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/557101/
Debate between me, and danhezee/Ace about increased view ranges.

...?

How is camping a problem...? AoS is essentially Counter Sniper: The Game.
you all just lost the game.

[Tai]

How is camping a problem...? AoS is essentially Counter Sniper: The Game.

Sigged.

[MegaDeuce]

I like fog personally, but in mat's new client the fog seems to look 'crisper' if that makes any sense. See here to see what I mean.

By crisper you mean that the fog density goes from zero to "full fog" really fast, I noticed that after you pointed it out:


http://mp2.dk/ace/voxglmeet.PNG

[KevinLancaster]

Oh hey guys, I asked bcoolface if map dependent fog distance could be implemented, and he said probably not until 1.0.

[MegaDeuce]

1.0??? oh yeah that's right it's still in beta...