The Only Way To Make Everybody Happy

[TheVirgo]

I played the pre-release of .76 today and, as a person who ONLY uses the rifle, I was absolutely disgusted with what happened to it. So were many other people. Now, keep in mind, this isn't a thread about the rifle or to hate on anything, nor do I want this thread to spiral into that. I am working towards my point. Bear with me a moment.

As of now, Ace of Spades is divided into many groups. Hell, let's face it, currently the rifle is the most controversial thing about this game. People like me who want it back to the .70 version and those who like the huge, massive nerf. As well as those who wish the game was like it was originally, when it first came out. All these people fighting about what they think Ace of Spades should be. Now, let's be real, there is no way to really appease these people. If you do, you will piss off one of the other groups. There seems to be no winning.

That's when an idea came to my mind. One that would probably be a coding nightmare but, as I think you will agree, will solve all of these problems and, for the most part, put an end to this mindless bickering:

The final, released version of Ace of Spades could give you the option of running/joining a 1.0 server, a .70 server or a .01 server. Considering how small the game is, we are only talking about a few megabytes of data. It just opens up a different set of files. And if you think about it, if one doesn't like the way the game is headed, they can just join a server from a "different time". They don't have to bother the others and the others won't be bothered by them. As it is, I am sure there are some, like me, who are curious about how the game was originally and would like to play a .01 game, just for the fun of it.

I cannot think of any other way to effectively deal with all the problems that the community faces currently. Even putting all of that aside, at the absolute least, I don't see how it would be a BAD idea.

Your thoughts?

[Benton]

This sounds good in theory, but I just think fragmenting the game is not the way to go. From a programmers point of view, it means three times the code, and for a player...meh. I think we gotta trust Ben, we still got a long ways to go until 1.0, he might just be trying stuff out. With the auto-updater, we might see changes like this every week, it is still beta.

Maybe putting this server side would be a better idea. Different servers with different damage etc. However, I would rather it all be unified.

And I use the rifle %95 of the time, and I think it is OK. We got super-duper good accuracy now, so one shot should be all it takes. I like it :)

[Tai]

This sounds good in theory, but I just think fragmenting the game is not the way to go.

Agreed.

I think we gotta trust Ben

Because that worked so well the first two times he nerfed the rifle.

[MrHank]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

[Fett316]

The only way to make everyone happy is to revert back to .21 and release it as 1.0

[TheOperator]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

You do realize the only reason he nerfed the rifle was from the recent influx of young/inexperienced players who were used to casual games and incapable of using effective cover, listening for enemy footsteps, learning how to properly infiltrate enemy lines, and being able to shoot somebody without aim-assist CONSTANTLY complaining about getting head-shot'ed?

[Doctor]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

You do realize the only reason he nerfed the rifle was from the recent influx of young/inexperienced players who were used to casual games and incapable of using effective cover, listening for enemy footsteps, learning how to properly infiltrate enemy lines, and being able to shoot somebody without aim-assist CONSTANTLY complaining about getting head-shot'ed?

And those are the players that we will be getting for a long time, the devs probably thought that being instantly killed from the fogline was too annoying for newer/intermediate players.

[TheOperator]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

You do realize the only reason he nerfed the rifle was from the recent influx of young/inexperienced players who were used to casual games and incapable of using effective cover, listening for enemy footsteps, learning how to properly infiltrate enemy lines, and being able to shoot somebody without aim-assist CONSTANTLY complaining about getting head-shot'ed?

And those are the players that we will be getting for a long time, the devs probably thought that being instantly killed from the fogline was too annoying for newer/intermediate players.

Oh great, so the devs are sellouts? Well, us veteran players who are older and have a brain would've NEVER figured THAT out, but thanks for reassuring what the newer, younger audience apparently already knew because they are so smart with their inexperience and short attention spans.

[Benton]

Now come on, Ben and the developers have to play to the market. If they don't this game will be like Linux. Very awesome, but for the average CoD player way too hard.

The problem people don't see is not the weapons, but they way people use them. Watch a guy play CoD and use the sniper rifle, he uses it like a freaking assault rifle. I have never seen a CoD player use stealth.

You need to pick a weapon that suits your task. If you are flanking them and sniping them, the rifle is the way to go, I would NEVER use the shotgun for that except if I am escorting the sniper. Likewise, I would never use the rifle if I plan to do trench warfare.

But in a map where I might have to do everything, the SMG is still the best gun. I don't like using it though, because it makes me feel like I am cheating for some reason.

[MoleMan]

I think youre just going to have to deal with the new rifle. This isnt the communities game, this is the designers game. There are ways to downgrade your version of AoS. in fact /v/ from 4chan still runs a .01 server.

Adapt and learn to use/counter the new semi or die. This game is so much more than 1337snipr headshotz, try the smg and shotgun. Theyre specialized weapons for specialized situations.

You do realize the only reason he nerfed the rifle was from the recent influx of young/inexperienced players who were used to casual games and incapable of using effective cover, listening for enemy footsteps, learning how to properly infiltrate enemy lines, and being able to shoot somebody without aim-assist CONSTANTLY complaining about getting head-shot'ed?

You are a funny man. Perhaps you are not familiar with the concept of 'I am watching this position because I am camping, and the second you leave it, whether at walking or running speed, I will put a bullet through your head 100% of the time'. It''s not only about not finding effective cover, it's about the withering hail of bullets as well as being 100% accurate regardless of standing, crouching, or moving and at a rapid firing rate, no less, with 10 bullets off the bat, and fifty more in reserve ensuring you are completely and entirely fucked against a rifleman who is aiming at you.

Ben isn't coddling newbies, he remedied one of the greatest problems of the rifle, and that is the flexibility to act in any situation. SMGs are now weaker at range because of the damage falloff, which barely affects rifles, rifles are encouraged to camp or draw their shots instead of spam shooting while dodging/strafing, and shotguns are encouraged to stop using the shotgun because it still sucks. Stop being so hurt about your 'favorite toy' being 'nerfed'. I'd argue it's stronger in many ways, especially with the return of 100% accuracy.

[TheVirgo]

And those are the players that we will be getting for a long time, the devs probably thought that being instantly killed from the fogline was too annoying for newer/intermediate players.

Not once you charge $10 or $5 for this game. All those players you're trying to appease are going to scatter like cockroaches when you turn on the light. And then what? The "n00bs" aren't going to buy it and the pros won't want to buy it because it's balanced toward the unskilled. You see the faulty logic of it all?

[ChaosTLW]

And those are the players that we will be getting for a long time, the devs probably thought that being instantly killed from the fogline was too annoying for newer/intermediate players.

Not once you charge $10 or $5 for this game. All those players you're trying to appease are going to scatter like cockroaches when you turn on the light. And then what? The "n00bs" aren't going to buy it and the pros won't want to buy it because it's balanced toward the unskilled. You see the faulty logic of it all?

Yeah, because no kid ever bought any Call of Duty with their parents' money, and they won't ever do it with AoS.

[TheVirgo]

And those are the players that we will be getting for a long time, the devs probably thought that being instantly killed from the fogline was too annoying for newer/intermediate players.

Not once you charge $10 or $5 for this game. All those players you're trying to appease are going to scatter like cockroaches when you turn on the light. And then what? The "n00bs" aren't going to buy it and the pros won't want to buy it because it's balanced toward the unskilled. You see the faulty logic of it all?

Yeah, because no kid ever bought any Call of Duty with their parents' money, and they won't ever do it with AoS.

And yet, a quick forum search will show you how many people are against paying for Ace of Spades. And those are just the ones that took the time to make a forum account. That doesn't count all the casuals who don't even have a forum account. Your point?

A lot of the casuals won't want to buy the game and all the changes that are being made to appease the casuals are driving us pros and semi-pros away. Who's going to be left to buy the game?

This sounds good in theory, but I just think fragmenting the game is not the way to go. From a programmers point of view, it means three times the code.

Not really. It's really the same amount of code. Just ship 1.0 with the two other versions in different folders and then, when the client connects to the server, the server tells the client which version (set of files) to load. Honestly, it wouldn't be that hard.

[thrillhouse]

What's the rifle like now, I haven't followed the game in a few months. Does it still have the retarded spread? I don't understand what was wrong with how the rifle was in the beginning, it's not the game's fault you can't play.

[SICKfudge]

What i would like to see would too be configs where the host can choose what features to enable/disable, I dont know if its plausible or not but it seems like a better solution to me then fragmenting the game