Weapon balance vs personal preference

[rohagymeg]

In the RC3 update the semi got back it's original fire rate. I disagree with this for several reasons. Let's have a debate about this.

My view:

I completely agree with the 8 shell change, because 5 was too small.
But now, the semi shoots faster than the shotgun. And since there is no spread for sg in very close range, semi is a choice of weapon, because now you can use it for close, mid and range combat very effectively. Why? Because it now owns shotgun, better than smg, and 100% accurate at range.

Weapon balance vs personal preference?

Discuss.

[kmaj]

The semi should shoot faster than the shotgun, given that it's semi-automatic while the shotgun is pump-action. I don't see how it's "better than smg", given that the SMG has a way better rate of fire and can kill in 2-3 hits.

[rohagymeg]

Because shotgun is useless at range, while semi is far from useless in close range. And my personal opinion is that now semi is a better choice overall than smg.
[EDIT]: In the RC2, shotgun won over sniper in close combat(that's how it should be).

It's not about smg vs semi, but semi vs smg vs shotgun

[Rainbows871]

With the old speed the SMG would be a better snipers weapon than the semi. As it is on an open field (which way too many custom maps are these days) a good SMG player can kill a semi at long distance. If the speed was nerfed so it was slower than the current speed but not nerfed so heavily as it was in the first attempt then it would be acceptable.

[rohagymeg]

Okay I give you that. But what about my other points? If shotgun is so overlooked, it might as well be removed from the game. I like using all 3 guns, IF they are equally strong. If shotgun can be easily beaten at close range by another gun, by definition, it's really useless.

[kmaj]

Okay I give you that. But what about my other points? If shotgun is so overlooked, it might as well be removed from the game. I like using all 3 guns, IF they are equally strong.

The shotgun is pretty good in .76, but you have to know how to use it.

[gusv150]

The shotgun is a beast for CQC 1V1

else its really hard to kill

[Rainbows871]

Close Quarters Combat is so rare though, some custom maps have it and on large maps it's possible to circle around the enemy and shoot then in the back but otherwise there is no real place for a dedicated close quarters weapon.
If it was somehow buffed with stronger mid range power it might start having more use.

[Sniper101]

Close Quarters Combat is so rare though, some custom maps have it and on large maps it's possible to circle around the enemy and shoot then in the back but otherwise there is no real place for a dedicated close quarters weapon.
If it was somehow buffed with stronger mid range power it might start having more use.

Yes, the shotty should have the same attributes it had in 0.60.

[ChaosTLW]

Maybe have the damage dropoff be much more noticiable on the shotgun, so a close range shot deals a ridiculous damage if all pellets connect, remains useable if you get the jump on the enemy at medium range, and totally useless at long range?

[SIMOX]

I think rifle should shoot like crap while not aimed/zoomed in. That way shotguners would gain some advantage against riflers in close quarters.

[Varun]

Simox has a point. My view, in this at least, will be unbiased. The shotgun is next to useless. On pinpoint I charge with the semi, and slaughter the enemy. Like how a person would with a shotgun. Except I don't use the shotgun. Shotgunners are almost discounted as a variable in battle. People often just walk by, or ignore a nearby shotgunner, choosing instead to kill the lurking riflemen who are even closer. While I'm perfectly fine with the semi being op, this isnt really how it should be.

I think Simox's idea is the best. It won't really make a difference at extreme range, and it shouldn't be a great problem at mid to long range.

[Scipion]

Wait, so is fire rate for semi decreased in 0.76 like it was when the test version came out? Can somebody give me a quick update?

[HoboHob]

Here is what I think:
Shotgun needs a buff.
SMG is fine how it is.
Rifle needs a small nerf, I think the spread is good. I have learned how to use it and it can be helpful in situations.

In other words: Keep the SMG and Rifle as they were in 0.75 but keep the 0.76 shotgun.

That will be balanced IMO.

[Fluttershy]

. I don't see how it's "better than smg", given that the SMG has a way better rate of fire and can kill in 2-3 hits.

Instant kill and pinpoint accuracy vrs a faster rate of fire, less damage and a decent sized cone, which of these two are better at range?

With the old speed the SMG would be a better snipers weapon than the semi. As it is on an open field (which way too many custom maps are these days) a good SMG player can kill a semi at long distance. If the speed was nerfed so it was slower than the current speed but not nerfed so heavily as it was in the first attempt then it would be acceptable.

Speed doesnt matter at all if you actually connect a shot, it was buffed for sniping but of course people get angry when it slows down because its no longer the definite best weapon in the game, now its only somewhat the best weapon in the game.

Close Quarters Combat is so rare though, some custom maps have it and on large maps it's possible to circle around the enemy and shoot then in the back but otherwise there is no real place for a dedicated close quarters weapon.
If it was somehow buffed with stronger mid range power it might start having more use.

Or you can change the map to be more beneficial to shotgun in by building. Just saying.

Close Quarters Combat is so rare though, some custom maps have it and on large maps it's possible to circle around the enemy and shoot then in the back but otherwise there is no real place for a dedicated close quarters weapon.
If it was somehow buffed with stronger mid range power it might start having more use.

Yes, the shotty should have the same attributes it had in 0.60.

1)CQC is common for me
2)reverting to .6 would be a massive nerf from what we have now.

Maybe have the damage dropoff be much more noticiable on the shotgun, so a close range shot deals a ridiculous damage if all pellets connect, remains useable if you get the jump on the enemy at medium range, and totally useless at long range?

Its fine as it is. It already has the ability to kill two people in one shot (I think since the recent damage buff it can actually drop 3 people) and its med range is fine. The problem is the other weapons fucking leak onto all the ranges rather than being "close-med-long" so people feel the shotgun has to be brought up rather than simply bringing the other weapons down.

Simox has a point. My view, in this at least, will be unbiased. The shotgun is next to useless. On pinpoint I charge with the semi, and slaughter the enemy. Like how a person would with a shotgun. Except I don't use the shotgun. Shotgunners are almost discounted as a variable in battle. People often just walk by, or ignore a nearby shotgunner, choosing instead to kill the lurking riflemen who are even closer. While I'm perfectly fine with the semi being op, this isnt really how it should be.

I think your entire statement became useless when you started basing this on an experience on pinpoint with a rifle.

Here is what I think:
Shotgun needs a buff.
SMG is fine how it is.
Rifle needs a small nerf, I think the spread is good. I have learned how to use it and it can be helpful in situations.

In other words: Keep the SMG and Rifle as they were in 0.75 but keep the 0.76 shotgun.

So youre saying we should nerf smg and give the rifle a cone? (Btw, shotgun is fine)